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	<description>"it must give pleasure" -- Wallace Stevens</description>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20974</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Jacob,  It&#039;s utterly lovely to have such a careful reader of poetry share his views.  Your reading of Stevens is very useful and has enriched my own (and revised it quite a bit, I might add).  Thank you for that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jacob,  It&#8217;s utterly lovely to have such a careful reader of poetry share his views.  Your reading of Stevens is very useful and has enriched my own (and revised it quite a bit, I might add).  Thank you for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Russell</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20947</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;any stick of the mass/ of which we are too distantly a part&quot;

I think of Kafka... the aphorism, that the &quot;way&quot; of man is like a rope stretched a foot above the ground, seemingly more meant to be tripped over than to follow.

Kafka, too... is thinking of Eros... and trying not to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;any stick of the mass/ of which we are too distantly a part&#8221;</p>
<p>I think of Kafka&#8230; the aphorism, that the &#8220;way&#8221; of man is like a rope stretched a foot above the ground, seemingly more meant to be tripped over than to follow.</p>
<p>Kafka, too&#8230; is thinking of Eros&#8230; and trying not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Russell</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bloglily,

I grateful to have found your blog through litlove. But heavens! 
Those word&#039;s COULD not be &quot;I love you,&quot; as that&#039;s what any erotically engorged subject blurts out from their most primal mamnilian brain... Stevens is pointing out (ruefully, perhaps... had he an Alma to go back, he may not have even needed Freud!)... contra Romantic popular assumptions (and with no little anxiety, lest it not be so) ... that poetry is driven by a source not so easily limited. 

... what he longs for, is something beyond Eros... but that he knows well enough, we will never be quite free of... 

It is the human that is the alien,
The human that has no cousin in the moon.

It is the human that demands his speech
From Beasts or from the incommunicable mass.

If there must be a god in the house, let him be one
That will not hear us when we speak: a coolness,

A vermilioned nothingness, any stick of the mass
Of which we are too distantly a part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloglily,</p>
<p>I grateful to have found your blog through litlove. But heavens!<br />
Those word&#8217;s COULD not be &#8220;I love you,&#8221; as that&#8217;s what any erotically engorged subject blurts out from their most primal mamnilian brain&#8230; Stevens is pointing out (ruefully, perhaps&#8230; had he an Alma to go back, he may not have even needed Freud!)&#8230; contra Romantic popular assumptions (and with no little anxiety, lest it not be so) &#8230; that poetry is driven by a source not so easily limited. </p>
<p>&#8230; what he longs for, is something beyond Eros&#8230; but that he knows well enough, we will never be quite free of&#8230; </p>
<p>It is the human that is the alien,<br />
The human that has no cousin in the moon.</p>
<p>It is the human that demands his speech<br />
From Beasts or from the incommunicable mass.</p>
<p>If there must be a god in the house, let him be one<br />
That will not hear us when we speak: a coolness,</p>
<p>A vermilioned nothingness, any stick of the mass<br />
Of which we are too distantly a part.</p>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20942</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[U-Dad -- NO!  They&#039;re going to have to do something about that sign, don&#039;t you think?  And it was lovely to meet you also -- and what a nice lunch it was.  

Hello and Welcome Jacob, That&#039;s such a great reading of those lines.  I have always thought the &quot;wished for words&quot; were the dreaded &quot;I love you.&quot;  I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m ready to give up that reading, but I love having your alternative, and also getting to check out your blog.  

Archie, I can only say I agree, and that&#039;s pretty good, don&#039;t you think, coming from a venusian?  

Dear Litlove,  I&#039;m supposed to be packing up my things -- and it&#039;s well after midnight -- but I&#039;ve had such a fun night at the theater that I can&#039;t get myself to admit I&#039;m leaving in the morning.  It has been a lovely time.  

Hello Dorothy -- I&#039;ve loved all the theater, and have lots of things to say, when I get home and can finally return to a normal sleep and work schedule.  xo, BL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U-Dad &#8212; NO!  They&#8217;re going to have to do something about that sign, don&#8217;t you think?  And it was lovely to meet you also &#8212; and what a nice lunch it was.  </p>
<p>Hello and Welcome Jacob, That&#8217;s such a great reading of those lines.  I have always thought the &#8220;wished for words&#8221; were the dreaded &#8220;I love you.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m ready to give up that reading, but I love having your alternative, and also getting to check out your blog.  </p>
<p>Archie, I can only say I agree, and that&#8217;s pretty good, don&#8217;t you think, coming from a venusian?  </p>
<p>Dear Litlove,  I&#8217;m supposed to be packing up my things &#8212; and it&#8217;s well after midnight &#8212; but I&#8217;ve had such a fun night at the theater that I can&#8217;t get myself to admit I&#8217;m leaving in the morning.  It has been a lovely time.  </p>
<p>Hello Dorothy &#8212; I&#8217;ve loved all the theater, and have lots of things to say, when I get home and can finally return to a normal sleep and work schedule.  xo, BL</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Russell</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, but Stevens is not dismissing the power of sex,  bit acknowledging that, powerful as it is, there&#039;s as least one field of aspiration for which it it proves insufficient; that what he might lament as a man, he could at least claim for himself as a poet, the one measure that matters: &quot;finding the &quot;wished-for words.”  

If it were otherwise, sex being what it is, anyone could make poetry, an ironic hint that perhaps, had he found erotic satisfaction, he wouldn&#039;t need to write poems, as Mahler seems to have given up music for Alma after his famous stroll with Doctor Freud!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but Stevens is not dismissing the power of sex,  bit acknowledging that, powerful as it is, there&#8217;s as least one field of aspiration for which it it proves insufficient; that what he might lament as a man, he could at least claim for himself as a poet, the one measure that matters: &#8220;finding the &#8220;wished-for words.”  </p>
<p>If it were otherwise, sex being what it is, anyone could make poetry, an ironic hint that perhaps, had he found erotic satisfaction, he wouldn&#8217;t need to write poems, as Mahler seems to have given up music for Alma after his famous stroll with Doctor Freud!</p>
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		<title>By: (un)relaxeddad</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20935</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A pedant (not altogether irrelevantly considering the previous comments) speaks.  It&#039;s not actually Eros but his twin - Anteros!  According to Wikipedia &quot;Gilbert described Anteros as portraying &#039;reflective and mature love, as opposed to Eros or Cupid, the frivolous tyrant.&#039;&quot; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Circus).  And why shouldn&#039;t sex be reflective and mature (as well as frivolous, hopefully)?

Maybe it&#039;s time I re-read Jane Austen? (And lovely to meet you yesterday. That was a first!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pedant (not altogether irrelevantly considering the previous comments) speaks.  It&#8217;s not actually Eros but his twin &#8211; Anteros!  According to Wikipedia &#8220;Gilbert described Anteros as portraying &#8216;reflective and mature love, as opposed to Eros or Cupid, the frivolous tyrant.&#8217;&#8221; (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Circus" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Circus</a>).  And why shouldn&#8217;t sex be reflective and mature (as well as frivolous, hopefully)?</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time I re-read Jane Austen? (And lovely to meet you yesterday. That was a first!)</p>
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		<title>By: archiearchive FCD</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20934</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if SEX is so important in all our lives because, well, SEX is important. Literature is not about losers at sex but about real people with real struggles. Whether we are Martian or Venusian sex is a mainstay in our lives. The problems arise because evolution has given Martians a different take on sex from Venusians. This conflict may be at the root of all literature. Perhaps we need a movement towards honesty and some compromise so that we can all become happy little Earthlings.

What an orgasmic outcome that would be - - -]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if SEX is so important in all our lives because, well, SEX is important. Literature is not about losers at sex but about real people with real struggles. Whether we are Martian or Venusian sex is a mainstay in our lives. The problems arise because evolution has given Martians a different take on sex from Venusians. This conflict may be at the root of all literature. Perhaps we need a movement towards honesty and some compromise so that we can all become happy little Earthlings.</p>
<p>What an orgasmic outcome that would be &#8211; - -</p>
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		<title>By: litlove</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20928</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, this is a wonderful post, dear Bloglily, and I just love the thought of you seeing so many plays and having so many marvellous thoughts about them. I can&#039;t wait to discuss all this further with you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this is a wonderful post, dear Bloglily, and I just love the thought of you seeing so many plays and having so many marvellous thoughts about them. I can&#8217;t wait to discuss all this further with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy W.</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorothy W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, it&#039;s so wonderful that you are seeing so many plays!  And such good ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it&#8217;s so wonderful that you are seeing so many plays!  And such good ones.</p>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bloglily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Lilian,  It&#039;s a tricky subject, isn&#039;t it?  That&#039;s why I find it so amazing that it&#039;s at the heart of so much theater here.  

Why thank you Cam.  It&#039;s so much fun to be at the theater alone.  You can sit in silence during the intermission, eating your incredibly expensive little thing of ice cream, the one that costs a stunning six dollars, and think whatever thoughts you want to think.  And at the end of the play, you do not have to turn to your companion and say anything, including &quot;that was good.&quot;  You can walk to the tube and figure out what you really, really do think.  It&#039;s the best thing I&#039;ve done in a long time, getting to be alone to really think.  

LK,  There is a place for a box of dingdongs.  In fact, Stevens was a huge lover of chocolate, but I&#039;m guessing it was more fine chocolate than the kind that comes wrapped around and in a donut-like thing.

Dear Ben,  Have a great trip!  As for the landscape, I&#039;ve never thought of it that way.  I&#039;ve always thought it was more about the weather, which keeps people indoors here in England so much, and thus gives them a lot of time to consider what one might best do indoors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lilian,  It&#8217;s a tricky subject, isn&#8217;t it?  That&#8217;s why I find it so amazing that it&#8217;s at the heart of so much theater here.  </p>
<p>Why thank you Cam.  It&#8217;s so much fun to be at the theater alone.  You can sit in silence during the intermission, eating your incredibly expensive little thing of ice cream, the one that costs a stunning six dollars, and think whatever thoughts you want to think.  And at the end of the play, you do not have to turn to your companion and say anything, including &#8220;that was good.&#8221;  You can walk to the tube and figure out what you really, really do think.  It&#8217;s the best thing I&#8217;ve done in a long time, getting to be alone to really think.  </p>
<p>LK,  There is a place for a box of dingdongs.  In fact, Stevens was a huge lover of chocolate, but I&#8217;m guessing it was more fine chocolate than the kind that comes wrapped around and in a donut-like thing.</p>
<p>Dear Ben,  Have a great trip!  As for the landscape, I&#8217;ve never thought of it that way.  I&#8217;ve always thought it was more about the weather, which keeps people indoors here in England so much, and thus gives them a lot of time to consider what one might best do indoors.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilian</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lilian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved this post. I think I would like to say more about it, but I&#039;m not quite sure what at the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this post. I think I would like to say more about it, but I&#8217;m not quite sure what at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20908</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a wonderful post, Lily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful post, Lily.</p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must say, I wish I could tranform a lack of eros into remarkable novels! Better than eating a box of DingDongs.

Have a good trip!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say, I wish I could tranform a lack of eros into remarkable novels! Better than eating a box of DingDongs.</p>
<p>Have a good trip!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Daniel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in the process of reading a biography about John Calvin in preparation for a journey to Geneva next month. The life Calvin is about sex in the same way a desert is about water: one short season of marriage that was nice while it lasted but did little to change the overall nature of Calvin&#039;s spiritual geography.

Sometimes I think that the geography of Geneva may have something to do with Calvinist reserve: if the beauty of human intimacy were added to the overpowering (and very feminine) wonder of the Alps rising up over the lake, it might have overpowered Calvin&#039;s somewhat feeble human frame. 

In London, where it is foggy and flat, he might have gone to the theater more often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the process of reading a biography about John Calvin in preparation for a journey to Geneva next month. The life Calvin is about sex in the same way a desert is about water: one short season of marriage that was nice while it lasted but did little to change the overall nature of Calvin&#8217;s spiritual geography.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think that the geography of Geneva may have something to do with Calvinist reserve: if the beauty of human intimacy were added to the overpowering (and very feminine) wonder of the Alps rising up over the lake, it might have overpowered Calvin&#8217;s somewhat feeble human frame. </p>
<p>In London, where it is foggy and flat, he might have gone to the theater more often.</p>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/01/15/is-eros-all/#comment-20904</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tonight, watching Shadowlands I had a similar thought, Gail.  It was this:  why is it that love and sex are all?  Are there not other choices?  May one not say no to all this?  Austen certainly did.  She chose life, which is to say she chose to write and be unmarried, rather than marry and be buried in married life.  I also think it&#039;s reductive to say that her subjects were love and married life.  In fact, if you look at the novels closely, they are also about independence and thinking for oneself, about exercising choice, and about refusing to do what one is expected to do.  And that is why they are so consoling -- not because the women in them find love at the end.  

Dear Gentle Reader,  Thank you.  I&#039;ll be interested to hear about your Austen re-reading.  The biography was far quite powerful.  

Charlotte, that&#039;s such a sweet thing to say.  I am having a fun time -- I guess that&#039;s obvious, huh!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight, watching Shadowlands I had a similar thought, Gail.  It was this:  why is it that love and sex are all?  Are there not other choices?  May one not say no to all this?  Austen certainly did.  She chose life, which is to say she chose to write and be unmarried, rather than marry and be buried in married life.  I also think it&#8217;s reductive to say that her subjects were love and married life.  In fact, if you look at the novels closely, they are also about independence and thinking for oneself, about exercising choice, and about refusing to do what one is expected to do.  And that is why they are so consoling &#8212; not because the women in them find love at the end.  </p>
<p>Dear Gentle Reader,  Thank you.  I&#8217;ll be interested to hear about your Austen re-reading.  The biography was far quite powerful.  </p>
<p>Charlotte, that&#8217;s such a sweet thing to say.  I am having a fun time &#8212; I guess that&#8217;s obvious, huh!?</p>
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