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	<title>Comments on: Eliot Spitzer:  PG-13 Version</title>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-pg-13-version/#comment-21355</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Pine -- Lucky for your children you will be the type of parent YOU are!  But they are interesting, aren&#039;t they?  All kids do that -- think in original ways about problems we have difficulty seeing freshly.  And they&#039;re not particularly judgmental, which I also like -- well, they&#039;re only judgmental when it comes to their parents.  0h, and their siblings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Pine &#8212; Lucky for your children you will be the type of parent YOU are!  But they are interesting, aren&#8217;t they?  All kids do that &#8212; think in original ways about problems we have difficulty seeing freshly.  And they&#8217;re not particularly judgmental, which I also like &#8212; well, they&#8217;re only judgmental when it comes to their parents.  0h, and their siblings.</p>
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		<title>By: Sycorax Pine</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-pg-13-version/#comment-21353</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a phenomenal conversation (in all its stages) with your kids! I hope that I am someday the type of parent you are....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a phenomenal conversation (in all its stages) with your kids! I hope that I am someday the type of parent you are&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-pg-13-version/#comment-21347</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Archie -- YOU Sacrified!?  Nevah.  

Gail -- what an eloquent plea for sanity in an overly- sexualized world.  Thank you for that reminder.  

Dear Tai -- a pair of pliers is just the weapon I&#039;d be using now.  

LK, It&#039;s true.  So much repression.  Not good.  (SF trip was really fun.  More on that later.)

Jane, How crazy is that?  To criminalize the provision of a service but not the purchase of it.  Sounds very male-oriented.  As for the gay as adjective question, if I can think of something sufficiently clear to say about that, I will.

Polaris -- Yes, they are all over any HINT of hypocrisy.  it is what you do when you are a twelve year old boy apparently.  And I think it goes on FOREVER.

Ann,  Lucky you, not to live where the Spitzer story is everywhere!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archie &#8212; YOU Sacrified!?  Nevah.  </p>
<p>Gail &#8212; what an eloquent plea for sanity in an overly- sexualized world.  Thank you for that reminder.  </p>
<p>Dear Tai &#8212; a pair of pliers is just the weapon I&#8217;d be using now.  </p>
<p>LK, It&#8217;s true.  So much repression.  Not good.  (SF trip was really fun.  More on that later.)</p>
<p>Jane, How crazy is that?  To criminalize the provision of a service but not the purchase of it.  Sounds very male-oriented.  As for the gay as adjective question, if I can think of something sufficiently clear to say about that, I will.</p>
<p>Polaris &#8212; Yes, they are all over any HINT of hypocrisy.  it is what you do when you are a twelve year old boy apparently.  And I think it goes on FOREVER.</p>
<p>Ann,  Lucky you, not to live where the Spitzer story is everywhere!</p>
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		<title>By: archiearchive FCD</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-pg-13-version/#comment-21346</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a moment there, I wondered why I was going to be sacrificed. I have never been infidelious in New York!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a moment there, I wondered why I was going to be sacrificed. I have never been infidelious in New York!</p>
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		<title>By: openpalm</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-pg-13-version/#comment-21343</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i do love the category &quot;icky stuff&quot;.

i&#039;m quite amazed and perturbed by the Spitzer fall into addiction (i call it this, without reference to authority, but only because, like Bill Clinton, his actions seem so contrary and harmful to what he wants and how he thought of himself.)

having discovered by own spouse&#039;s infidelity, i do wonder what takes over in some lives at some points...my ex, when he could see his mother dying and his 65th birthday on the horizon, and my own vulnerability to cancer. Would I leave him? 

it seems a kind of madness. a last grasp at youth or freedom or adventure or just plain blind lizard brain activity. the problem is of course how many people bad behavior hurts. spouses, families, yes AND also hurts the idea of love, the possibility of living happily ever after, of being honorable even when it&#039;s hard, the keeping secrets and telling lies. And as we cast aside the principled relationship, it&#039;s not just our own families that are hurt, but the fabric of our social world that also wants to try for the ideals of honesty and of love forever, that includes and also goes beyond physical love into what it takes to be intimate and safe in that intimacy.

safety? can we create it? it&#039;s an unsafe world. can we make it more safe by promises and determination and grit? and what happens when one or the other person changes? beyond, perhaps the bounds of the relationship. What then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do love the category &#8220;icky stuff&#8221;.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m quite amazed and perturbed by the Spitzer fall into addiction (i call it this, without reference to authority, but only because, like Bill Clinton, his actions seem so contrary and harmful to what he wants and how he thought of himself.)</p>
<p>having discovered by own spouse&#8217;s infidelity, i do wonder what takes over in some lives at some points&#8230;my ex, when he could see his mother dying and his 65th birthday on the horizon, and my own vulnerability to cancer. Would I leave him? </p>
<p>it seems a kind of madness. a last grasp at youth or freedom or adventure or just plain blind lizard brain activity. the problem is of course how many people bad behavior hurts. spouses, families, yes AND also hurts the idea of love, the possibility of living happily ever after, of being honorable even when it&#8217;s hard, the keeping secrets and telling lies. And as we cast aside the principled relationship, it&#8217;s not just our own families that are hurt, but the fabric of our social world that also wants to try for the ideals of honesty and of love forever, that includes and also goes beyond physical love into what it takes to be intimate and safe in that intimacy.</p>
<p>safety? can we create it? it&#8217;s an unsafe world. can we make it more safe by promises and determination and grit? and what happens when one or the other person changes? beyond, perhaps the bounds of the relationship. What then?</p>
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		<title>By: Tai</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor, weary, wrathful, debased, astonished, repulsed Mrs. Spitzer. She&#039;s got to be looking for a pair of pliers so she can pry that wedding ring off her finger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor, weary, wrathful, debased, astonished, repulsed Mrs. Spitzer. She&#8217;s got to be looking for a pair of pliers so she can pry that wedding ring off her finger.</p>
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		<title>By: LK</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cracked up when I read Wm.&#039;s comments about giving someone a whole lot of money cos you are so happy about the sex. Sounds like a born politician!

Spitzer joins a long line of hypocrites, doesn&#039;t he? Very sad. I think that this country has got to revisit and re-examine its puritanical roots.

Oh, I look forward to hearing more about your SF trip. Sounds like you did some very fun things!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cracked up when I read Wm.&#8217;s comments about giving someone a whole lot of money cos you are so happy about the sex. Sounds like a born politician!</p>
<p>Spitzer joins a long line of hypocrites, doesn&#8217;t he? Very sad. I think that this country has got to revisit and re-examine its puritanical roots.</p>
<p>Oh, I look forward to hearing more about your SF trip. Sounds like you did some very fun things!</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another great post Bloglily. I did hear about the Spitzer thing on the news here in Denmark, but I guess in this small northern european country it´s just not considered quite such a scandal as in the US. Sure going to a prostitute is not really the thing to do, also not here, but I doubt it would cause a major scandal or for someone to resign their job if discovered. At the moment the discussion evolves around whether it should be illegal for the customer to pay for sex. It is illegal to accept the money. Talk about hypocracy. 
Being gay myself, in more ways than one, I´m looking forward to your post on the use of the word gay...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great post Bloglily. I did hear about the Spitzer thing on the news here in Denmark, but I guess in this small northern european country it´s just not considered quite such a scandal as in the US. Sure going to a prostitute is not really the thing to do, also not here, but I doubt it would cause a major scandal or for someone to resign their job if discovered. At the moment the discussion evolves around whether it should be illegal for the customer to pay for sex. It is illegal to accept the money. Talk about hypocracy.<br />
Being gay myself, in more ways than one, I´m looking forward to your post on the use of the word gay&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Darnton</title>
		<link>http://bloglily.com/2008/03/10/eliot-spitzer-pg-13-version/#comment-21339</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m showing my ignorance because not only do I not know what the &#039;escapade&#039; was neither do I know who Eliot Spitzer is.  I&#039;ll follow your link and find out.  But, after too many years to count teaching young children, boy do I know your situation.  Actually, I think teachers have an added problem because you don&#039;t know if what you say is going to square with what their parents will have said.  And when you go into teaching you think your worst difficulty is going to be keeping order!  Little do you know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m showing my ignorance because not only do I not know what the &#8216;escapade&#8217; was neither do I know who Eliot Spitzer is.  I&#8217;ll follow your link and find out.  But, after too many years to count teaching young children, boy do I know your situation.  Actually, I think teachers have an added problem because you don&#8217;t know if what you say is going to square with what their parents will have said.  And when you go into teaching you think your worst difficulty is going to be keeping order!  Little do you know.</p>
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		<title>By: polaris</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“But mom, what about that time dad gave you a bread knife for Christmas and you were so mad at him because you thought it was pearls and it wasn’t?”

ROFL! Somebody is being very very perceptive here. Try wiggling out of that one, Lawyer Mom :-).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“But mom, what about that time dad gave you a bread knife for Christmas and you were so mad at him because you thought it was pearls and it wasn’t?”</p>
<p>ROFL! Somebody is being very very perceptive here. Try wiggling out of that one, Lawyer Mom <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That, Mr. Bookfraud, is one very funny post.  As for the use of &quot;gay&quot; as an adjective, it is -- at least on their school yards and our front yard -- being used as an insult, as in you are bad.  Because being gay is not bad, this insult is (a) lame, (b) inaccurate (aka lame) and (c) insulting to the many people who are, in fact, gay and not by virtue of being gay, bad at all. 

U-dad, my husband used to send me flowers at work pretty routinely until I did one of those potatoes for flowers things.  I think I was stunned by the cost, but really, he seemed to get so much pleasure out of the giving of the gift, and they were always such beautiful flowers, that maybe I need to go back and revise that statement.  

Yogamum, that&#039;s such an interesting superstition, and one I didn&#039;t know about.  I&#039;m so glad you mentioned it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, Mr. Bookfraud, is one very funny post.  As for the use of &#8220;gay&#8221; as an adjective, it is &#8212; at least on their school yards and our front yard &#8212; being used as an insult, as in you are bad.  Because being gay is not bad, this insult is (a) lame, (b) inaccurate (aka lame) and (c) insulting to the many people who are, in fact, gay and not by virtue of being gay, bad at all. </p>
<p>U-dad, my husband used to send me flowers at work pretty routinely until I did one of those potatoes for flowers things.  I think I was stunned by the cost, but really, he seemed to get so much pleasure out of the giving of the gift, and they were always such beautiful flowers, that maybe I need to go back and revise that statement.  </p>
<p>Yogamum, that&#8217;s such an interesting superstition, and one I didn&#8217;t know about.  I&#8217;m so glad you mentioned it.</p>
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		<title>By: bookfraud</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sadly, the eliot spitzer saga is just getting started! all the sordid details are slowly leaking out. (at least i got a blog entry out of it.)

one question that has never been sufficiently answered about something being &quot;gay&quot;: if something is &quot;gay,&quot; does that make it bad? musicals are &quot;gay.&quot; liking classical music and opera are &quot;gay.&quot; dressing well (for a man) is super, uber-gay. yet i&#039;m not gay, but i like musicals, they symphony, and dress OK on occasion. 

so if something is &quot;gay,&quot; i don&#039;t think of it being pejorative, per se. of course, your kids may have to be a little older to understand my point of view...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sadly, the eliot spitzer saga is just getting started! all the sordid details are slowly leaking out. (at least i got a blog entry out of it.)</p>
<p>one question that has never been sufficiently answered about something being &#8220;gay&#8221;: if something is &#8220;gay,&#8221; does that make it bad? musicals are &#8220;gay.&#8221; liking classical music and opera are &#8220;gay.&#8221; dressing well (for a man) is super, uber-gay. yet i&#8217;m not gay, but i like musicals, they symphony, and dress OK on occasion. </p>
<p>so if something is &#8220;gay,&#8221; i don&#8217;t think of it being pejorative, per se. of course, your kids may have to be a little older to understand my point of view&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: (un)relaxeddad</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember supermum once told me she&#039;d rather have potatoes than flowers.  I dutifully failed to buy her any flowers for ten years until she told me that she only said that out of embarrassment at someone having bought her flowers at all and that actually she quite liked them.  And never wanted to see a potato again, thank you very much.  She hasn&#039;t married me yet, mind.

Eliot Spitzer.  His big crime in terms of US/UK politicians, of course, is getting &lt;i&gt;caught&lt;/i&gt; at being a hypocrite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember supermum once told me she&#8217;d rather have potatoes than flowers.  I dutifully failed to buy her any flowers for ten years until she told me that she only said that out of embarrassment at someone having bought her flowers at all and that actually she quite liked them.  And never wanted to see a potato again, thank you very much.  She hasn&#8217;t married me yet, mind.</p>
<p>Eliot Spitzer.  His big crime in terms of US/UK politicians, of course, is getting <i>caught</i> at being a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: yogamum</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think early in my relationship with my husband I would have been peeved about the bread knife!  

Actually, in his family they say it is bad luck to give knives as presents, as it may &quot;cut&quot; the relationship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think early in my relationship with my husband I would have been peeved about the bread knife!  </p>
<p>Actually, in his family they say it is bad luck to give knives as presents, as it may &#8220;cut&#8221; the relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: bloglily</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Italy!  I love that.  

As a first step toward &quot;healing&quot; I&#039;d say a long European vacation, one that involves buying oneself high quality leather goods, would be just the thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Italy!  I love that.  </p>
<p>As a first step toward &#8220;healing&#8221; I&#8217;d say a long European vacation, one that involves buying oneself high quality leather goods, would be just the thing.</p>
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